Four Steps to Live a Magical Life - Wayne Hoffman

Speaker: 00:00:04

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Ipek Williamson: 00:00:37

Hello and welcome to The Ultimate Coach podcast, I am your host, Ipek Williamson, and today we have a truly exciting and unique guest. I am so excited. Wayne Hoffman is with me, and Wayne is one of the top mentalists in the world, a multi award winning performer, keynote speaker, and the author of the best selling book Mind Candy. His work blend psychology human behavior and the Art of Illusion to create unforgettable experiences for audiences across the globe. You may have seen him on major shows like America's Got Talent, the Today Show, The Ellen DeGeneres Show, and more. Beyond his incredible performances, Wayne's passion lies in helping others unlock their full potential by understanding the power of the mind. In today's episode, we will explore Wayne's fascinating journey, his insights from the ultimate coach community and the mindset shifts that can help us create meaningful change in our lives. We'll even dive into what it really means to be a mentalist and how Wayne combines his talents to inspire others. So please sit back, tune in and get ready for a conversation that will leave you inspired and amazed. Wayne, welcome. It is a honor and pleasure to have you with me.

Wayne Hoffman: 00:02:15

Oh, thank you for having me, and I'm I'm excited to see what we uncover here during our conversation.

Ipek Williamson: 00:02:23

Well, I would like to start with your journey to becoming a mentalist and illusionist. I'm sure everybody is curious about that. What drew you to this unique career path?

Wayne Hoffman: 00:02:37

Yeah, it's not a common job, that's for sure. It's a little off the beaten path. So I got started many, many years ago by practicing sleight of hand and magic, and then I studied psychology at a university, and I tried to figure out how I could use that study and add it to the slight of hand and the magic performance that I was already doing, and slowly, I started to realize the things that I was learning were not only applicable for clinical psychology, but I could use it for entertainment. So started doing my own self studies in hypnotism and body language reading and neuroscience and social sciences and on and on and on. And slowly I realized, wow, you know, I can use this for entertainment. So I started blending the two together, and the rest is history.

Ipek Williamson: 00:03:36

Okay, well, thank you for this. And I really wonder, and I'm sure others might wonder too, because I'm not sure about the definition of a mentalist. What is a mentalist? How would you explain it to someone unfamiliar with the concept?

Wayne Hoffman: 00:03:54

So yeah, a mentalist is somebody that really, in essence, is a mind reader. Is a short way to put it, it's somebody who uses psychology and that science generally to figure out what people are thinking, implant thoughts into their mind, predict what they'll do and what what we'll call seemingly psychic experiments. Wow.

Ipek Williamson: 00:04:18

But how do you earn money as a mentalist. What are the different avenues or opportunities in this field?

Wayne Hoffman: 00:04:25

Yeah, it's not something that people realize there's a business around. So I earn my money by performing live entertainment shows. And this could be at casinos. This could be at corporate events. It could be doing my own self produced show at the theater. So I basically get up in front of crowds and entertain them the same way you might hire a band or a musician. People hire me to entertain Well,

Ipek Williamson: 00:04:54

obviously your career involves performing for global. Experiences, and you were on major TV shows. How did those experiences shape your personal and professional growth?

Wayne Hoffman: 00:05:09

One of the things a great quote that really emphasizes this is not traveling, is like only reading one page of a book. So I've certainly one of the unintended, amazing consequences, benefits, I should say, of performing is I've gotten to really see what Earth is like. I've really gotten to see a very clear story, and learned about different cultures, different people, different personalities and mentalities and religions and foods and historical cultures. In fact, if you hear me cough, one thing I learned in Amman Jordan is they love smoking shisha, and I'm not a smoker, so you'll so we were celebrating after my performance with a big dinner and and they had me, you know, I was engaging in this big dinner and smoking the shisha at the same time. So, you know, I think my perspective shifted from being a local person to a global citizen. And and I realized this blue dot that we live on, really how how amazing it is. And it helped me to appreciate other human beings, as you know, these divine beings having a human experience, just with a different perspective.

Ipek Williamson: 00:06:38

I want to get to the idea of the ultimate coach community, and how you first get connected with Steve Hardison or this community. Can you tell us about that?

Wayne Hoffman: 00:06:53

Oh yeah. So I have a unique one. I didn't discover the book first. I discovered Steve first. Or I should say, he discovered me. I was at the time. This is many years ago. I can't even remember how long ago this was. I was performing on a cruise ship, and this strange man walked up to me, and he said, here I have a book I want to give to you. I said, Okay. He said, But promise me you'll read it said, All right. And I was thinking, what's this guy selling? You know, you know, his approach was very to the point, and, you know, very there was something about him. And of course, it was Steve Hardison. It was some something different. You know, it wasn't just, hey, good show, nice to see you. It was, it was, yet, this kind of presence in this different, I don't know, mentality. I could just tell being a mentalist. And so he had gone to, I think, three, at least two, three of my shows. And after his final show that he watched me do, he found me. He went kind of backstage where passengers aren't even allowed. He didn't care. He wanted to talk to me, and he said, I'll tell you what. He said, I've seen your show now two, three times. He said, If you can tell me what my middle name is, I'll be a fan for life, and I'll guarantee you that I'll get you booked for a show in Los Angeles. And I'm thinking, wow, okay, here's a here's a challenge. So I said, before I answer your question, I said, Do you happen to know what time you were born? And he said, Well, actually, no. He said, I was born in Germany, and I don't, I don't have my birth certificate or something like that. He didn't know. So I said, I said, Well, I've been waiting for you. And I reached in my pocket and I pulled out a piece of paper. I said, open this up and read what it says. And he opens it up and it says, Forbes, 1010, I believe it was 1010 if I remember correctly. And he freaks out. And he said, Forbes is my middle name. And then later he took the paper home, and then he found his birth certificate, and he was born at 1010, and so, you know, instantaneously, you know, I think Steve became a fan, and true to his word, he got me booked at an event in Los Angeles for the University of Santa Monica's night of magic. And from just that event, it's opened up this whole new door of meeting a lot of very amazing people. Some of my best friends ended up coming out of that show. So that's how I met Steve, probably one of the weirdest ways one could be introduced to the community, and Steve, I predicted he would walk up to me and I knew his name and when he was born.

Ipek Williamson: 00:09:50

Okay, now, now that you told this story, how about guessing the middle names of people from different cultures? I. Like the names that you've never heard of. Like, is that a possibility too? Because if it is, I'm gonna ask you to find my middle name.

Wayne Hoffman: 00:10:11

So I've done it all. I think I've done middle names, I've done numbers, and I discovered back in 1999 that I could do different languages as well. I had somebody think of a name, and he was thinking of a name in Japanese, and I started writing Japanese characters, and I showed him, and I didn't know what it said or what it meant or how to pronounce it, but I got it as a drawing and was able to tell him the name that he was thinking of. He was actually thinking of his Sensei, his name in Japanese, because he was in into martial arts. And so, yeah, I can read different languages, which allows me to travel around the world and do this. And I've done Japanese. I've done Korean, Spanish, Italian. The only, I think the most difficult language for me right now in first place is Arabic, and then also some of the Russian characters get me thrown off. But other than that, yeah, I can, you know, make predictions and read people's minds and in different languages. Wow.

Ipek Williamson: 00:11:15

But can you, can you do this on Zoom like this, or do you need to be in person?

Wayne Hoffman: 00:11:22

No, no, I can do things on Zoom. In fact, when COVID hit, I had an entire world tour that was canceled and because we couldn't be in person. So I started an online show called distant deceptions. And it was an online show that I did through zoom, where people would come in and join virtually, and I would read their minds through the screen and make predictions, and we would live stream, I think my biggest live audience there were 75,000 people live watching all at the same time. So it was, it was quite impressive. And what I get at any given moment from a person is really different from one moment to the next. So for example, I have these post it notes here, and I just have a feeling this is going to happen. Do me a favor. I want you to say a number out loud, between one and 100 whatever comes into your mind, seven. Okay, now I gave you up to 100 but the weird part about this is, if you can see, I had predicted on here, the number seven,

Ipek Williamson: 00:12:29

Oh, my god, that's amazing.

Wayne Hoffman: 00:12:32

Most people, when given up to 100 would name a two digit number between one and 10, seven would be a common answer, but I gave you up to 100 so you really beat the odds by saying seven, and you didn't do what most people would do.

Ipek Williamson: 00:12:49

Wow. And, you know, obviously this is a podcast, and the listeners are not seeing this, but I promise this, he showed me number seven. It's unbelievable. Wow. Wayne, it's unbelievable. Thank you. So you mentioned that your story is featured in the ultimate coach book when we first met. Could you share a bit about that experience and its significance for you?

Wayne Hoffman: 00:13:19

Yeah. So, so the story that I just told you about how I met Steve is part of the story that's in my section of of the book. I remember I got a call from Steve, and he said, Hey, you know, there's this book being written, you know, I'd like you to chat with a guy about, you know, your experience in me. And I thought, okay, no problem. So Alan and I connected, and I told him the story that I just told you about how I met Steve and how it all played out. It ended up being part, you know, part of the book. And then later I was able to read it and read through the story. And, you know, it was great. It was like a flashback from when I was talking to Alan. And then, of course, when I when I first met Steve, and I think, you know, it's, it's a great story that emphasizes a few things. The first is that we live in a magical world. And I think as humans, as as adults, particularly, we kind of take that for granted, because we get stuck in our daily grind. You get up, you go to work, you come home, you fall asleep, you get up, you go to work, and you rinse and repeat, and before you know it, life passes you by. And when you look at children, you know children live in this world of magic. They live in this world of imagination where anything is possible, and I think we lose that as we get older, we create these kind of shortcuts in our mind, and it helps us conserve energy and helps us be more efficient as humans, but it also stifles kind of open. Mindedness. So there's an underlying story between the lines of the story in my section of the book, just as simple as this, when Steve and I met, we weren't supposed to meet because he wasn't allowed, in theory, to go where he was. That wasn't an area where people normally go. I don't think there was a sign that says, Do not enter, but it was just an area where most people go. But he kind of had this open mindedness. He didn't have malicious intent. He knew his his, you know, nature was good. So he went back. And because of it, he had an amazing experience. I had amazing, an amazing experience, and then it ended up being in a book, and then beyond that. Now here you and I are talking just because he, he didn't live inside of the box, and he lived within this world of imagination. So, you know, after that, like I said, and after my story and my segment was printed in the book. You know, I've had so many people email me and say, How did you know? How did you know what his middle name was? How did you know what you know what time he was born? So, so it's impacted so many people just beyond the moment. And like I said, if you've, if you've read the book and you've read the section, I think it's the last part. I think it's the last vignette. If I'm not mistaken, then you know. So, yeah, it was, I guess, one word to describe it was magical,

Ipek Williamson: 00:16:32

Very appropriate, right? So also, I want to ask about your performance at the ultimate coach gathering in Birmingham, do you share that experience, like, what stood out for you about most about the community, or your experience there?

Wayne Hoffman: 00:16:51

Yeah, well, for full disclosure, the way I even ended up there, was amazing. I get, like, a few times a year. I don't know how many, maybe six times a year I'll get a phone call from Steve Hardison out of the blue. And when I see his name pop up, I get excited, because I have no idea where this is going. You know, it's, it's, it could be, it could be anything like, Hey, we're going to the moon on Thursday, and then we want you to come with us. So he called me up and he said, Wayne, he said, Are you available on this date? Said, Well, yeah, I'm available. What's going on? He goes, Well, I want you to be in Birmingham, England and perform. And I said, Oh, okay, and I didn't ask any questions. I said, All right, Consider it done. Let's make it happen. So that was not too long before the event was actually taking place. So I got on the plane, aligned, not knowing what was gonna happen, flew, landed there, got to the event, and it was awesome. I think anybody that was there, you know, already knows, but when you perform for a group of people, I've been doing it now just under 30 years since my first paying show, and you can read a room, you can get a really sense of who they are collectively. And I think that event was was really special, beyond just the speakers, I was hearing the people, when I would meet them in the lobby, and, you know, after, you know, afterwards, and hanging out and in the hotel and going to dinner, it was unique in the sense of, you know, I feel like a lot of people, like I said earlier, they kind of go through life like zombies. And that's, you know, a choice that most people make. But here I was with this group of people who were, and again, I want to stay away from cliches. But cliches are cliches for a reason, because oftentimes they're true. You know, a way to say it is vibrating on a different frequency. And here were people who were focusing in on self improvement and improving the sphere that they're in, and helping other people and helping themselves, and I think laying themselves bare and being honest and being introspective and reflecting, and, you know, being the people that they want to be. And so it was really and it was very similar to when I did the event at the University of Santa Monica, because that's where Steve went. And I remember this very clearly. I started talking about and explaining to people what an aura was an energy, and when I started to explain it, the audience started laughing. Now, the 9000 shows that I've done prior that isn't a part where people laugh, they're engaged in listening and learning. And what I realized it was based. Basically, these people have a doctorate in auras, and they're laughing, because that's like me trying to explain anatomy to to a brain surgeon, you know. So again, to summarize, it was a very special group of people, and it was very tangible. It was very noticeable. Oh, lovely.

Ipek Williamson: 00:20:18

I hope to watch you at some point, somewhere in the world, performing. I would love to see that. Now I want to ask about your book, Mind Candy. And as far as I'm concerned, I think it has a four step process right to achieve any goal. So can you give us a glimpse into this process and how it's it's helped transform lives?

Wayne Hoffman: 00:20:50

Yeah, absolutely. One of the things that is fantastic is recently, you know, my travels around the world was actually not just performing. I've now started presenting a keynote based around the book, and the keynote is called the power and potential of the human mind, which is the subtitle of the book Mind Candy. And I started teaching this live and integrating some performance into the keynote so that people are having a great time and having fun, and I use the performance to highlight points that that are in this book. So the process is simple, and I'll kind of lay the general bare bones out for you and the details, you know, you'd have to read the book. And the book is short, you know, it's under 100 pages because I wanted to keep it simple and digestible, and it's written probably at a seventh grade level. But again, the impact that I've had seen it have globally has been awesome. So the process is this. First of all, it's a narrow I use it simply because somebody asked me how I pulled it off. You know, how I went from living in the middle of nowhere in what is the poorest rank, the number one poorest city in the United States of America, you know, to traveling the world and being on television and living my dream. And I didn't know how I did it, and so in hindsight, I started looking back, and I realized I was following this process the entire time, and every goal that I ever set, I accomplished it by following this same system and having the same outlook. And it's this, the first step is to feel. A lot of people say, Oh, I'd like to be rich, or it would be nice to have a Ferrari, but they don't really want it. They're not emotionally invested into it. So I think everything stems from feelings as human beings. You feel hungry, you eat, you feel thirsty, you drink, you feel tired, you sleep. Whether it's physical, emotional or otherwise, you have to have some type of emotional connection. Now, the thing that I found was my love for performing helped me get through the difficult times. And the reason why I think a lot of people fail is because they they're not emotionally invested 100% it's something they think would be nice to do, but they don't have the burning desire. And all the times I hit a road, a road bump or a speed bump, you know, my love and passion for what I did got me through because nothing mattered. Didn't matter what you threw at me, if you told me no, if I had a bad day or couldn't figure out a problem, it didn't matter because I was going to do it anyway. And I did it because I loved it, not because I thought I was going to make a lot of money doing it. So that's step one. Analyze. You know your feelings, your connection with what it is you're trying to achieve, and be honest with yourself, you know, do you really want it, or do you just think it would be nice? And I think that also reflects on our impact on others. If you feel down or you're a negative person, or if you don't do your own self work, it affects everything around you, and that affects your abilities to succeed. So step one is feel be emotionally connected to what you're doing, and you'll get to the highest echelons of success. You might still be successful if you do it from a mercenary standpoint of just trying to win money instead of a missionary standpoint of doing it for the love of it, but you won't reach, necessarily, the highest echelons without that driving feeling force. So that's step one. The second step is to specifically define what it is you're trying to accomplish. Because, you know, I ask people what they want. They say, I want to be rich, successful, happy and healthy. And the issue is you can't be those things. Those aren't things that you can be. You have to really define what it is that you're attempting to do. So if you want to be rich, you have to define what that is like. For example, I want a specific amount of money, you know. Where maybe I want a real estate portfolio, or I want this or this or this. So defining what it is, I defined what I defined exactly what television shows I wanted to be on. I defined exactly what stages I wanted to be on. I defined all of these things. And when I did that, I was able to get, get on those television shows. And, you know, go on the stages I wanted to be on. And when we think we've defined things, we often have it defined. That's the problem we think we did. I say, order things from life, like you order a meal at a restaurant. You know, we get really, really, super specific. People will say, oh, I want the steak, medium, medium. Well, I want this on the side. I want this type of wine. I want this sauce. But then when I say, Well, what are your life goals, they say, Happy and healthy. And it's just, it's funny, how not to find these things really are. So that's the second step, to find very specifically what you want and then plan it. And we think that's the third step plan. Now we think we know how to plan but what I teach people is something that I learned through Steve Chandler and Steve artisan. It's ask yourself a simple question, and that is, what is the next doable action I can take to get one step closer to my goal being complete? What's the doable action? We often think of the macro and we think of the big vision of what needs to take place, but we don't actually think of the next tiny little thing. It could be make a phone call. The next doable action could be wait. That's fine too. Waiting is a doable action. So I asked myself, for example, to be on The Ellen DeGeneres Show. I said, What's the next doable action I can take? And the funny thing is, you know what it was, call them and ask to be on the show. And guess how I got on the show? I called them and asked to be on and that leads to the the last part, which is the fourth step, which is, do we often self sabotage and we don't take action because we tell ourselves a false story, you know, we say, Oh, I I'll never get it done. You know what I mean, I'll never get it done because they don't want they don't want me, or I'm not good enough. But the truth of the matter is, that's a false story you're telling yourself. So to do things fearlessly. And another thing that I learned through Steve Chandler and Steve hardinson was, yes, lives in a world of no. You can't have one without the other, so go and collect No's. The more no's you collect in your life, the more yeses you're going to collect. It's a mathematical fact. If I ask five people for something, the chances are maybe, maybe I'll get four no's, maybe I'll get five no's, but if I ask 1 million people for something, I might get 900,000 no's, but I might get 100,000 yeses. So that's it. You know, live fearlessly and do so again, to recap, its first feel, then it's defined, then it's plan, and then it's do fearlessly.

Ipek Williamson: 00:27:56

Well, I 101,000% agree with everything you said, and I feel like I am living through that too. And I believe in human beings when there is a burning desire in anyone for anything, anything is possible and doable. As someone who has studied psychology and sociology and human behavior extensively, what is one common mindset shift people can make to create lasting change in their lives? You think?

Wayne Hoffman: 00:28:34

You know, here's the thing. I think there's a lot of paradigm shifts that you could have, and then I could rattle through a couple of them, but I think the biggest thing is this. It's a it's this is the thing that surprises me the most. And it goes back to a great quote by Jim Rohn, and it's work harder on yourself than you do on your job. And I think what people don't realize is we, you know, we spend our whole childhood going to school every day. You know how many hours a day you're in school? How long? However long it is, six hours a day every single day. You spend all this time learning about the outside, about chemicals and animals and tadpoles and science and all these things, but then as an adult, you just sit there, but there's this whole other thing to learn about, and it's yourself. And I think the most powerful thing to do is not, I could give you a specific quote or a specific thing, but I think the thing that would help people the most is to realize this, there is so so so so much you can do to learn about yourself and make yourself a better person, to to help you become the ideal vision of who you want to be. And there's endless resources. I mean, we have. We have aI now and the internet, and we have, you know, right now, this might date this podcast, but chat GPT, you know. And 20 years from now, that might be the old thing, if anybody's listening, 20 years from now, but there's so many resources for people to really learn and engage. For example, there's a course on the science of well being that's for free on Coursera, which is, I took

Ipek Williamson: 00:30:27

That course. I love that amazing.

Wayne Hoffman: 00:30:29

Yeah. And did it help you?

Ipek Williamson: 00:30:33

Oh, my God immensely. Lawrence, Lauren Santos, right, yes, yes.

Wayne Hoffman: 00:30:38

And I went through this course, and I learned now these are things a lot that I had already studied. You know about hedonic adaptation and all these things, but here I had this opportunity to take a course and learn about the science of happiness, and that's just one free resource that's available globally to help me be better as a General, General, generic term. So what I suggest people do, and I think the paradigm shift, and the thing that would have the greatest impact is to simply stop, take time to think and analyze, you know where you are, where you want to be, and then go find resources that'll help you do that now, some are paid, some are books, some are videos, some are people. It might be a conversation you can have. It might be learning a new skill set, like meditation, whatever it may be, I think that is the biggest paradigm I learned, that people often have their feet on the ground and they're working on their daily requirements of food, money, shelter and the problems and how much whipped cream is in their double mocha latte at the coffee shop. But they're not thinking bigger, and they're not looking at at really growing. So the more research resources you know, the more resources you can acquire to learn how to be happier, how to be healthier, how to grow as a person. The better you're going to be. You know, people say, What's the meaning of life? The meaning of life is at the end of it, looking back and thinking of that segment and how you want to leave the earth. You know, what did you accomplish? What did you do? What was your experience? And that's up for you to create. So that's my biggest thing, you know, in studying human behavior, stop worrying about the day to day monkey mind stuff, and start gathering resources to help yourself.

Ipek Williamson: 00:32:43

Wow. I think this is a beautiful advice, and so easy to do, too. As you said, Thank you for sharing this. Now I want to get to the question I asked all my guests. I don't know if you have the questions available to you from the back of the book or the before you begin section of the book. But I want to ask you which of those questions that Steve Hardison asked resonates with you most at this point in your life, and why?

Wayne Hoffman: 00:33:17

Yeah, so I believe it's on the back of the book. If I remember correctly, it was, Who do I need to be to start being a better parent? Was one of the questions. And I am a father, and I have three children that are very young right now, and just this morning, I went to my son's kindergarten where he presented his first show. They did a holiday show, and I was sitting in the audience, and I was watching him sing, you know, these songs and doing the hand motions, and his music teacher was there guiding all the children along. And I really started to reflect on, you know, my life. Many people don't realize this, but I've dedicated my life, by choice to traveling around the world, which is what we discussed earlier, being in nine new countries in the past three weeks was really quite an extensive tour schedule. And because of that, I wasn't home and wasn't being present. And you know, my income and also the value that I bring to the earth, up until recently, has been delivered by traveling. Now, I had mentioned the online shows that I did, but that era has kind of faded away globally. You know, we're back in person, doing live presentations and and such. But it really made me reflect on that and who I need to be, and the doable actions I need to take, and it made me realize I have a whole new project ahead of me, and that is creating a brand new life, because at this stage, being present, physically and emotionally and there for my children is a new project, and I have to go through those things I clearly feel. Feel it. So that's step one, because I'm discussing it and defining what that means being present. Well, what does that mean, you know, and what does it mean to be there for your children? And now I'm going through the planning process of how many days should I be on the road, you know? What does it mean to have a healthy relationship with your family? I think that's a good thing for everyone listening this to reflect on, you know, we always say, I want to have a great relationship with my family. Well, you can't do that unless you define what that is. You know, what does that look like if you were to play out the movie of your life, which is an exercise I put in my book, I say, close your eyes and play your life out like a movie. Who are the characters? What does it look like? Specifically play it out with, you know, clear detail. So I'm going through that process now to create this new life where I spend more time at home, I have to define exactly how many days per month that that is, you know, and also, you know, my relationship with my career and money versus now the, you know, I have to look at the opportunity cost of things. Because if someone says, Hey, we want to fly you to Dubai to do something you enjoy, but it's, you know, my children are going to be singing on a stage, you know, I have to make that determination of, Wow, do I take a big paycheck, or do I be home and then paying bills and financing, you know, other projects that I have, so that's the one that really resonated with me at uh, is most forefront in my mind. Who do I have to be in order to be the parent that I want to be?

Ipek Williamson: 00:36:39

Yeah, it's so true. And when you say defining, like when we don't define, we are vague, and when we are vague, there is less possibility for us to do what it takes. I want to ask you three rapid fire questions now. The first one is, what is the most surprising thing someone has said ever said to you after a performance that you can remember? Wow?

Wayne Hoffman: 00:37:11

Most surprising. So obviously, I have countless performances that I can go back on. So I'll tell you simply, and I've heard this sentiment several times, and it always surprises me, and it's not, Hey, you did a great job, great performance. When they come up and they say, You changed my life today, and for me, it's always been about fun. You know, initially it was about the performance aspect and the entertainment. But what I didn't realize was people, they have a paradigm shift. It allows them to realize we live in a magical world, and it took them out of the day to day just for that hour, and they thought differently. So that's probably the number one when people say, you've changed my life. I've had people come up to me and say that, and I just kind of like, wow, okay, but I didn't understand the gravity of it. I had one guy I mentioned to him just in passing. I said, you know, you have a great voice. You have the voice of a hypnotist. You make a great hypnotist. This was at a university show, and lo and behold, I had found out that he left school, moved to Vegas to study under a hypnotist, and became a hypnotist, and now he travels around and performs as a hypnotist. So I think I take for granted, sometimes the impact that the show has on people, and the things that I say and how it really impacts people, beyond just having a night of entertainment

Ipek Williamson: 00:38:51

And Wayne, these are the ones that you are aware. Can you imagine? Imagine how many people are being impacted, and if you haven't heard of this book, the butterfly effect from Andy and Rose sweet like I got this recommended by still Hardison, and that is the book that talks about how amazing The each human being is, inspiring and impactful in others lives. And it's not you, it's not me, it's anyone and everyone has that impact on people's lives. And it's so powerful, so amazing to understand that

Wayne Hoffman: 00:39:36

It really is, you know, and it could be the smallest thing. I was recently talking with my wife, and she said, You're so lucky. You just got to go to Nairobi, Kenya, which is one of the places I just recently performed. And she said, you know, my teacher when I was a little kid, told me about how she went on safari in Nairobi, and she said it was the very first person. Person who I ever met who left the United States and told me about their journey, and she said, since then, I've always had this desire and fascination to go to Nairobi because it seemed like such a magical place. And she said, You know, I should find that teacher and tell her what an impact she had on my view of the world, and my desire to go to Nairobi, because that teacher probably just happened to mention it, you know, in passing, and has no idea how she impacted someone else's life. So, you know, it could be the smallest little thing that you say, or do you have no idea, like you said, this butterfly effect that it has. So if you're listening to this and you're having a tough week. Just remember, you're changing the world, whether you know it or not.

Ipek Williamson: 00:40:45

So the second question is, what is your most treasured possession? Like the thing, the item you value the most in your life?

Wayne Hoffman: 00:40:55

Wow. So a few things come to mind. I think the first thing that pops into my head is many, many moons ago, my mom, she bought me a ring. We were just at the mall together. This is rare instance where we were together and shopping, and very rare, she said, come here, I want to buy you something. And she bought me a ring. It's a ring that I have had with me and worn every single day since she got me the ring. Now my mom has since passed away, but I think that ring was probably most special to me because I could tell you know, during the holidays or birthdays and so on, we're often given gifts out of cultural circumstance, but she did it randomly because she wanted to out of love. And I think there's a difference between giving a gift from your heart and giving your gift because it's socially the thing to do. So that that's definitely one of my most personal prized possessions.

Ipek Williamson: 00:42:00

Oh, that's so sweet. I know that your mom is with you every time, like whenever you're wearing that ring, which is all the time. Okay, the last question, What is something you have intention to achieve in 2025 What is one thing that you have in your mind to create in this year,

Wayne Hoffman: 00:42:21

I actually have an instant answer for you, because I always hesitate to tell people this. But every goal that I have ever set for myself I have achieved, except for one, and it's the one that I'm working on right now. And just yesterday, we finalized the sizzle reel that we created because I partnered with a production company, and we are now finally going to sell my own TV show, which is very, very exciting, because I've been on I countless shows around the world, and it's always been on someone else's show. You know, my performances are part of another program, and so I, in hindsight, I'm like, wow, well, I've been on all these other shows, and people want me to perform because I guess it's entertaining, but I never had full creative control, you know, because what I do is a performance art, people don't realize that art Part they they forget. So to have full creative artistic control over something is amazing, because I get to present my art the way I want to present it and show it to the world. So we just finished the sizzle reel, and we're gonna go start pitching it, and we have some people that are involved that are interested. So that's the vision for 2025 to just set, set that in in motion. And who knows, at some point you may see me on on your TV screen.

Ipek Williamson: 00:43:50

That's amazing. I'm so excited about this. And you know, you mentioned, if you are listening like 20 years from today, you might say, Oh yes, Wayne's show. I have been watching it for years. I can't wait that to be materialized, manifested in the world. Wayne, congratulations. Thank you. Thank you so much for being with me today. Thank you and thank you so much everyone for tuning in to this really special episode of The Ultimate coach podcast. Wayne Hoffman's insights remind us of the limitless potential of the human mind and the profound impact of noticing, creating and following through on our commitments. If you'd like to learn more about Wayne, connect with him, or check out his book Mind Candy. Make sure to visit the links in the Episode Notes, and don't forget to reflect on today's conversation. What possibilities can you create in your own life with just a shift in your perspective? Thank you. So. Much Wayne for being with us. It has been an honor and privilege to have you with us until next time. Please, everyone, keep stepping into the best version of who you are being. Take care and see you on the next episode.

Ipek Williamson: 00:45:20

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